i thought that the movie was very excruciating and accelerating because in the ending you just thing that they're not going to make it out alive and they're never going to be able to see their children again. then you see them out of the rubble, it tells you that anything is possible
yes good observation. But as "anything is possible" lets not forget the endless amount of people where "anything" was not possible. It is wonderful to hear of stories of survival but lets also realize that we can sometimes fall victim to acts of randomness that can forever change our lives without it being the result of our character and the type of life we have led.
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I think that the movie in a word was very Sobering.The movie showed how the citizens didn't even know what was going on,and how they had to deal with an attack.To think it was a mistake,but then to find out it was intentional,is terrifying.To know that there's a group of extremists that are out to take down your country and what it stands for is absolutely terrible.The event itself,was something that was never expected.To be hated,to have to cope with a loved one's loss (let alone thousands and an eternal scar to a whole Nation)is something that nobody should have to face.
For me the most powerful scene wass the scene where officer Mclauglan (john) saw his wife and that was what helped him will himself through his ordeal. @mrcheney I agree anything can happen in life But I personally also belive that everything happens for a reason no matter how bad the event may seem it happens for a reason.
And like johns monolouge at the end I also think that even though the event was a terrible thing that it brought out the real kindness in people, people helping people just because it was the right thing to do.
In a word, i would say this movie was kinda surpurisng becasue i didnt really think they would come out, and everything that was happening, like the rocks or pices of the building material all on fire and rolling on them. i thought atleast one of them would die......but they didnt but then i also thought of all the other people who dies, whose bodies werent found, who went mossing , who jumped off the twin towers, so yeah
@jan101 yeah that was a strong scene as well when they showed the people jumping it just made you think again about how bad it must have been up there to jump.
One of the most powerful parts of the movie I had seen was when Officer McLoughlin and Will Jimeno were talking about how they shouldn't give up and they shouldn't fall asleep,how if one of them dies,the other one will give up and die too.I think it's one of the most powerful scenes in the story because it shows how much teamwork is involved in being a hero that has to survive every day of life knowing that he or she has that risk of dying to save a life.Also,it shows the influence a leader can have to the team,and vice versa.The leader wouldn't be able to have the motivation without the Will still being alive to help stay awake and not give up hope,and Officer McLoughlin helped Will stay awake,to not give up hope and know that he wills survive.
@El Presidente I don't even think they were thinking,the fear was so conspicuous that the ones on the roof panicked and had to jump,only to realize that they had made a mistake the moment their feet lifted off the ground.
The second the plane hit the building,the stranded civilians were doomed.The moment that the plane hit the building,their lives were already gone.There was no way to escape.
To know something like that MUST of had been terrible.Terrible is an UNDER statement actually.
@MrCheney the polls seem to be glitched or something...My vote on the iRead poll was shown the other day,but now when i logged in my vote isn't there,and when I try revoting,it doesn't affect the polls at all.
in a word i would say the movie was shocking especial the part were the building imploded it happened really fast all you can see was the building collapsing as if it was something from the matrix, also i didn't expect them to survive ether. The part were you see him trapped and the fireball came down i thought he was done for sure. I also agree with gurinder that scene were the said if one of them dies the other will die to.
@ Zak, yes i respect your statement that everything happens for a reason, but i challenge you that Humans create understanding and justification by claiming everything happens for a reason. I think sometimes Humans do this to make things easier to deal and cope with.
somethings just happen beyond our reasoning and control and we must react to them. Only in hindsight can we make the claim everything happens for a reason. any thoughts???
In a word i would say the movie was in depth. it made you think of how lucky we are to have people risking their lives for us and showing us that every time we leave the front door, you never now if you will be coming back, i liked the parts where they have the Sargent and the other officer under the rubble talking about things to keep them awake and alive and there is no holding back that you wouldn't want to say in the conversation, as they were thinking just in case they werent going to make it out alive. from what i saw those were my favorite parts.
@ Cameron true it those types of scenes always give that feeling.
And jan it is sad that, that happened some people were never found since that everyone at that time never did think that they can fall, also when the scene where the building was starting to fall and that pulse of debris i though they would have just died right there.
i agree with adam that we are lucky to have people like that, and cheney took the words out of my mouth before i was able to challenge zak that. so @ elpresidente do you think that things happen for a reason? or is it just mere coincidence that these things just happened? with out us knowing. This is what i just think you can disagree with me and i have no disrespect to what you think
On Topic:The idea of everything having a reason and being justified by that,could all be false.There is no real reason anything happens,for example,Extremists.The extremists that caused the indescribable disaster,that is 9/11 might have not only done it because it was their beliefs,morals and values that influenced them.Something that seems almost entirely unrelated,not even remotely close to them could affect their decisions drastically,like the population of a country far off in a different Continent.Or,it could be something directly related,like jealousy or believing that they should take away what the World Trade Center had,so they can feel like some places in the world.Places where disasters have happened.
@ sharpshooter ya i agree i was expecting the toweres were going to collapse a little bit farther into the movie, not at the very beginning, also like you said whet they saw the huge pieces of concrete started to implode at the end of the hall, it happened so fast that i didnt know that the towers were collapsing, and one thing i diddnt understand is that why even when they were under the rubble, there was still these massive implosions, i know once the other tower fell, but why even more times
@ Cheney if it was like that on how everything happens for a reason, and it was like some chess game on how you are able to control what your opponent was able to do and were they move. Then I think that it it is just that it happens and we were at a bad place at a bad time or if it is something good we got lucky or it was meant to happen its a hard one to say whether it is just a coincidence or was meant to happen.
I think that the movie in a word was intense. I say this because there some very intense scenes like when the building was collapsing and they were running to the elevator. Or when the elevator started collapsing and they were coughing and struggling to survive. But I think the scene that stood out most to me was the scene where a person was falling from the building because they jumped. That scene literally sent a chill up my spine. It's almost beyond words. I mean, what kind of crazy situation would give you the circumstances where one of your options was to JUMP from 80 floors or higher. That scene will stick with me for a long time. It is just an example of one of the many intense scenes in the movie.
A adam I'm, guessing that the some of the parts weren't stable like the ruble and metal work and fell in they were basically under the towers and in the elevator shaft or what was left of it. That part is basically connected to a lot of the floors.
@ adam and thomas I thought that the towers would fall later in the movie too. I thought that they would be at the towers longer than they were before they fell. I also thought they would've helped some people out of the building before they fell. But I didn't understand where the fireballs came from when they were stuck in the elevator shaft? Was it more of the building collapsing? It also makes you realize how lucky you are to be alive because so many of them died but only one had a dramatic death scene.
A connection to today's afternoon's chess game,I see.
The building came crashing down along with the people early in the movie because it was around 8-10 when it happened,everyone was just waking up and getting ready for the day.Also,the director wanted to catch the audience's attention quickly,like the capture scene in the beginning of our Movie,that we'll be filming soon.
In a word i think this movie was very suprising because of all the events that happened. The most suprising part was when they rescued the officers that were in need of help. I aggre with @Cameron, i thought that they werent going to end up getting found, and not being able to see their family again. But suprise, they did.
@Alyssa The fireballs were the ignited flammable rubble in the building.When the jet fuel soaked the flammable rubble,and the friction sparks (friction resisted the kinetic energy,transforming it into thermal energy)ignited the rubble,and the rubble created spheres of fire that fell down the elevator shaft.The heat was attracted to some type of material,or gravity took its course and the fire spheres were directed down wards.To actually see a ball of fire is rare,it takes an explosion at the right calculations or an intentional fire to create one.
I mean...That's just my background knowledge Hope it helps?
In a short summary,the officers were saved by marines,fire men/women,police officers and other heroes.It took some time for them to get out,and after they did,it showed a scene 2 years later.It showed how even after 2 years their lives where changed for ever.
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I agree with you when you said the most powerful part was when they were showing teamwork. I find that having teamwork is very important.
The best part of the movie was when there were alot of people in a crowd the one of the officers daughter ran up to him and gave him a hug. I think that was the best part because there was a chance that he wouldnt be able to see her again. And i think that hug ment alot to him because of all the things he went through
@Gurinder the fireball scene makes sense now. oh and the marine that saved them was that the guy they kept on showing like him going to the tower and I think getting his hair cut or something like that. And how had their lives changed 2 years later? Did they have a new outlook on life or a new appreciation? Or did something else happen?
true Pamelaa, that was a perrty nice scene, and that why i think they ended it that way
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i wouldnt really say romanized because it a true story , so it actually happened , that actually happened luckilly for john and will, but not for the rest of them, many more people dies and i saw in the end of the movie , when they were telling facts like how only 20 or 2 lived from the attack
@ gurinder I'm pretty sure i heard them say the time was 9 something but not the time the building came crashing down and yet it crashed down that's why i think it crashed down to early. It was romanticized true but they were trying to give us a good feeling that they survived.
Funny how today's assembly is about Teamwork and the movie seems to be about teamwork, since the scene the showed with the marines and so on like Pamela said and the part when they were trapped, Will tried to keep John alive by talking to him.
@Alyssa It didn't really show anything about them being changed other than physically,which was several surgeries they had to go through.The 2 years later part was more of a denouement,tying up the loose ends like how Will lived to see her kid that was inside his wife,and the commemoration of the event.In the commemoration,it was a few minutes long,just showing how the two police officers gave thanks to their family.It was the thought and love of their families that kept them motivated and living during the time in the rubble.
to me the movie world trade center was informative and excruciating because i never thought that someone will find officers john and will all the way down there because i thought no one will ever go down there to rescue them or search for them and if someone would, i was thinking how would they possibly go down there but you never know and at last they rescued them. the movie was really informative because how they showed the people getting out from the towers and the way they showed that after the plane hit the second tower and the officers were in the tower evacuating people and how the tower was shaking and the way they ran, that showed or gave us a closer look like from the inside of the tower rather than just outside. i was really shocked about how the towers were falling down so fast you know like unimaginable.
to me the most powerful part was when john and Will were stuck in the tower and talking about how they should not give up and should not fall asleep and if one of them dies the other person will give up and die too. and that was showing teamwork which was theme of this month,just like gurinder said. and so this was the most powerful part to me from the whole movie.
@Sharpshooter i agree with you because i never knew they were actually going to survive when the bulding exploded. That part was very intense because the explosion was suprising and quite scary. I wonder how the officers were feeling/thinking when they felt the building shaking and the explosion
between John and Will and in the bigger picture between all the firemen and police officers.
this puts a bit more understanding into how the Yankees became the cities brightest moments in the months following. remember back to George Bush throwing that 1st pitch...a city threatened, a city with resolve.
What did you think of the Marine who spent the entire film working "alone" he was the opposite of teamwork?
thats my favourite and most emotional part of the film when the Marine looks down and yells "Im a Marine, You are my Mission!"
There are many emotional scenes in this movie but the team work part was very on your edge of your seat since they had to help john stay alive even though he was drifting off. I really didn't understand how the other guy died or how it set off the gun when the fireball came down I thought that it would have burned him and gave him 3rd degree burns. I'm still shocked how the buildings came down, it looked like they used some scenes from the actual event s like when George bush was talking and when the towers collapsed
in a word the movie was in-dept and it had a really strong effect in the end.i think the movie had more action in the ending where both of them get pulled out and are encouraged to keep fighting with their body until they get help.everyone is talking about the most powerful part i think that would be when john's wife encourages him to stay awake and tells him she and their family needs him.
@ Hitakshee I agree with you when you say you never thought anyone would go down there and search for them. I also thought that the 2 officers that were searching for any people wouldnt hear the trapped officers. But luckily they did and that was a good scene also
I'm thinking that the marine wanted to look for some survivors and did not want to risk the fact that others would get injured since the floor or pieces of the building might collapse on them or he was not authorized to go in the area since it was restricted.
i agree with Zak that whatever happens it happens for a reason and that reminds me of my grandfather always saying that whatever bad or good happens to you always think that it happens for your own good. so i agree with Zak that whatever happens it happens for a reason. i also agree with Mr.Cheney that humans say this to make things easier to deal and cope with. Because when someone tells this to someone that person gets calm down from whatever reason they were upset or mad at and then that person will not blame about what happen on other people or them self because they will think that it happened for a reason. and so i agree with both Zak and Mr.Cheney.
Yes for that reason i think it was very important to rescue them, and yes i think they did represent more than 2 police officers because of what they did.
@Mr Cheney I was wondering if that footage was authentic because it looked pretty real. It also sounded like it but I wasn't sure if it was because it's a movie and they could make something look realistic but not really be.
@Pamela It seems as if all your posts are just agreements,so I'd like to request a challenge...
What do you think about the marine trying to save trapped survivors under the rubble by himself (disregarding the second soldier that was assisting) instead of bringing the whole armada to come help in the first place? And why do you think that the Officers had a will strong enough to stay alive for so long?
Ill answer the second questions first @ Gurinder Well i think that the officers had a will strong enough to stay alive for so long is because they couldnt just give up. They had families at home and they couldnt just stop because of the pain and them thinking they would never get rescued . They went out of their way to save others and if they just gave up, they wouldnt complete their goal.
@Gurinder I am going to answer one of your questions. I think that the officers had the will long enough to survive because they wanted to come home to see their families so they tried survive for that much longer.
Yes, we have to believe in something, tough to understand the world around us if we haven't created morals and beliefs to interpret all we see.
I like to evaluate and relate and asses the things that go on around me. I don't like simple answers, as you can tell i'm a firm believer in the complexity of all things.
@pamela i agree that they couldnt let all those people down, that reminds me that officers etc. are still looking through the rubble to see if they can find anyone, not alive obviously but for everyone else that was close to that person.
@ heli yeah for some reason the end of the movie did have more action, but it the part you were talking about i think that is more of one of those near death experience and hope that they survive moments but yeah a lot more action. @ hitakshee i was thinking the same thing about them getting rescued but i thought that it would have been to late especially when they went in and i thought the whole thing was going to collapsed. When the tower was starting to collapse the second one i thought the pulse of debris would have buried them and never be found or it shocked the whole place.
In a word he world trade center movie was shocking but a little predictable too shocking because when the building was collapsing and during the time the two officers were trapped they never gave up truthfully i was expecting one of them to die.Predictable because since we read the book i was like the names are the same and it was like they were just about to die and then they sprang back to life making it sorta obvious that they would survive
i agree with Pamela the the officers had stayed alive because they never gave up and also because they had families and they can't stop thinking about them. they were also alive because Will kept on thinking about the movie dialogue that pain is your friend and....so i agree with Pamela.
You cant challenge other people beliefs, but you can make sure that yours are willing to change and adapt to your surroundings and your ever changing knowledge of the world around you.
as you experience more and learn more your beliefs will evolve and change. So debating beliefs in a professional manner is a good thing. because it will be new knowledge for all.
I have morals and values but they are not set in stone, life changes, i change, and I want to adapt and be open.
@ gurinder i think he was just stubborn (ok never mind that)i think that he didn't take the whole army with him because what if he didn't find anyone and then it would be waste of time then for the others.and anyway other officer were looking for people who were trap too. remember when one of them said where are the other people who got killed there were hundreds of them.they can't just disappear. which happened they turned into dust.
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@Pamela
What about keeping a legend/streak going? Officer McLoughlin was considered at a very high prestige,do you think it might've been pride that could've kept him alive too?
yes they didn't give up...but don't assume that all those that died had given up. Its a nice main idea to say never give up and look what will happen you can survive anything...but thousands of tough, resilient, never give up people, died a horrible death.
again don't simplify never giving up, we just don't hear the story of those that never gave up , but died anyway.
I thought that the movie and the 9/11 incident generally in a word is symbolic, reason being that there were many point of views towards what exactly happened, the national view, the international view, the controversial view, as well as many more. Since that is the case, there are many symbolisms for the incident, an example is, in the national point of view, Ground Zero is a memorial for all those who died and gave their lives to save those that were physically in the building and around the building. The symbolism for whoever actually was responsible for the attacks could be something like a very prominent message based on their own views. As Mr. Cheney also said, John and Will were symbolic for more then just two people, the movie depicted how the saviors of John and Will and any Firefighters/Medics/Policemen/Marines that were associated with the patrolling of Ground Zero within a few hours of the collapse for survivors and bodies in general, took about saving any survivors, they put their own lives for them, and they only managed to save twenty.
@Heli With thousands in the towers,the Marine must've thought there must be tens if not hundreds that are still alive under the rubble,so I don't think it could've been a wasted effort.
At the time,it seems that the army just believed that the majority were under rubble,still alive.
i wouldn't say the all the officers and officials were not there because they had to, but more like a gesture, because in real life those guys spent weeks of countless hours of looking for survivors, its not lake any ordinarily thing where the official said "ok lets pick this up tomorrow" because they now what the thousands of loved ones were going through at home,l in a way worse situation than any of those officials ever had to go through, and we saw in the movie what the loved ones were going through
but heli if he didn't find anyone and took those people it would not be a waste of time because if he would have took more people with him then maybe those people could have looked somewhere else while he was looking somewhere else so i don't think that it would be a waste of time. but instead it would be helpful to take them with you they can help you search for people too.
@Mr Cheney Grand Master is more like it,oh and tetris too.
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Going to retire from the blog now,hopefully I've retained my title of Top Student
Quality,Not Quantity is something that needs to be shown here.
Moral and just but not seemingly emotionally attached to the people he was with. He was alone, the guy he was working with was the suspended paramedic.
@Mr Cheney From my point of view no one gives up without a fight, and we saw in the movie, the officers under the rubble, the officers seaching above, the love ones at home, not loosing hope.
Yes Darthinder, the quality is the key element and indeed you have arrived with a sinister game tonight but YESSSS SIIIRRRRRR many others have as well. I will deliver the stats in the am.
Heli if you were an officer and searching for people who are trapped and are still struggling to get out wouldn't you want a hand like wouldn't you want someone to come with you because you know that you can't do it by yourself and so if there are more people than maybe everyone can search in different places. so do you think that you need some people with you or not?
yes I agree Adam but the same is true for the thousands of people who did die.
They never gave up, their families never stopped believing, and yet they died.
we oversimplify that never giving up was the key to their being rescued but there must be other elements at play because thousands of others didn't give up either.
The Marine didn't go down by himself because he was there doing a job, not taking risks to be a hero, he was a trained soldier and knowing that he made the call to get the best people to take over the rescue.
@ Darthinder Perhaps the effort wasn't wasted because it gave the people who were related to those missing some hope, and that hope was crushed for the massive majority of loved ones. It also gave America a good image, that they were going to do the heroic thing and venture into the dark wasteland and search for America's Businesspeople, and those who served the emergency service units that were also trapped in the clutches of the debris. Sadly, only 20 survived, and in the long run, there was more malice than retribution. The war against terrorism, which was labeled after the 9/11 attacks, started, and ever since, the world has been in constant red alert towards "Terrorists". Do you not agree?
@ Gurinder -_- Well i think that pride has also kept him alive because he didnt want to let people down. If he is considered to be at a high prestige, then he wouldnt just want to end his accomplishment. He had every chance to just 'give up' but he didnt. He had to keep his legend going because he had to keep it live. If it ended there then someone would take over. I think that he did this job not only for him, but for safty around the world. So if it ended there than his goal would be finished
i agree that we should also think about the people who died but never gave up in the real time when the 9/11 attack happened. but from the movie if we are talking it is obvious that people will mostly focus on JOHN and WILL because like they were the main characters in the movie an so i think that everyone was paying more attention on them (including me) than rather thinking about other people who died but never gave up. but now i think that people are not going to focus on never give up that much, they might but they are going to also think about the people who died and never gave up,there families weren't ready to believe that how would they have felt that time.i think no one ever thought about those people but now i think people will think about them and then response the question.
yeah the marine is a strange character but all those officers marines and ect did believe that a lot of people were alive and i agree with pamela on how he was kept alive with his pride but also thinking about his family like the part were he was dreaming about his wife and in his head imagining her trying to encourage him to stay up.
nobody ever talks about the people who never give up but don't make it. In all aspects of life. But in reality this number of people is millions more then the people who make it.
Its a falsehood to believe that as long as you never give up you will make it. It takes a great deal more then not giving up to make it, somethings you control and others like I mentioned at the beginning you don't.
it all comes back to simplicity over complexity, and making it or being the only survivor takes much more then just not giving up. For John and Will it started with John knowledge of the towers. He knew to get to the elevator shafts, he had survival training, they were lucky enough to be close by to them, some things he controlled and others he didn't.
i agree pamela, he would just not want to end this accomplishment like this because he just didn't wanted to give up, i also agree he never ended this because not only for him but his safety around the world because he would not want to be embarrassed in class because he had been the top student to blog and doesn't want to be the second one so he had to keep this thing going on for ever. so i agree pamela.
@ cripple yeah it is very symbolic on how they showed that and i how the showed different views on it, to me it is a lot like ground zero which i have to re watch to me how they were honoring the people who died but with this movie also who survived it. But you perhaps the effort wasn't wasted if not then why do you think they would believe and hold onto a blind faith that they were still alive since it seemed a lot of people have died. It did give America a good image since they were going to retaliate against terrorism, but the sad fact is a lot of people died in the tower and more in the war. A death is a tragedy, millions is a statistic.
gurinder is going to keep trying to be top student. I'm guessing what Cheney said goes back to believing whether things happen for a reason or it was just mere coincidence john had training so he was prepared and when the marine came by to see if anyone was alive there was a chance since if you never give up you'll succeed but there was a chance that he wouldn't have found them but he did give it a try and found them. @ Hitakshee yes the movie did focus on will and john but they were the people the director chose to symbolize.
@ Cheney can you announce who was tied for second or first to see if darthinder did get it? I think that there is no waste of effort only what you did is what you believed in doing, lots of people looking for people who worked in those towers was the smart thing even though there would be lots of deaths there was a chance of finding someone. It gave them a good image but when they got trapped in the war that kinda withered away during that time.
I have to agree with you, Mr. Cheney, because the people that never gave up and failed to succeed didn`t get their moment in the limelight, they are gone, so then this "Cliche" needs to be understood properly because it is way deeper then what we all see it as. You have helped us understand certain phrases like so and allowed us to comprehend the deeper meaning. We always have romanticized beliefs. It has been indoctrinated in us since our early stages in life. We all know Dora The Explorer, she does on these little adventures with her friends, and in the end, they always succeed, no matter the obstacles they face, but I guess theres Romanticism because the young child`s brain is tender and cannot capacitate defeat towards their idol without breaking down or crying or being emotionally depressed (a little on the extreme side), and I'm guessing thats why the cartoons are romanticised. Even now, books and movies are still romanticized, one thing I dont get, is that there is still romanticism in a fair amount of movies in Hollywood, my conclusion to that may be that I doubt there is reality anymore in the world of Hollywood, there is romanticisation in a lot of movies, but then there cant be two extremes either, you cant have all movies where the plot to overthrow the problem fails, that would just be depressing. All I think that Hollywood needs, is some balance. Also, The John/Will relationship reminds me of a movie that came out recently, called unstoppable, its about a veteran train conducter, Played by Denzel Washington, with his Protege on his first day, and they are trying to deal with an unmanned runaway train going at an average of 140km/h, and it gets pretty interesting, but the idea is the same, they both are about to die, yet they are in this together, and there are a lot of the same main ideas involved, in my own judgement. It is a pretty good movie
It is a tragedy that Arod died just hours before he was going to be saved. since everyone was talking about how people if they keep believing or holding onto a blind faith they would succeed finding those people. It reminds me on how 3 years ago i went traveling and a boy got drifted of to sea and died, his family and a bunch of other people tried looking for him hoping that he was alive. @ gurinder you already won so stop it.
Sharpshooter that quote is by the famous mass murderer of the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin, although the quote is realistic in a way, it was used to justify his mass murder of 65 million people, triple of that which Hitler Killed, and the ironic part, they were both end to end, Stalin and Hitler had a coalition and they worked together for a bit in WWII, Then Hitler broke the truce and attacked the Soviet Union
Also, Sharpshooter I think what Stalin was trying to imply that the loved ones of one person would be notified of their death faster then a million deaths would be notified to their loved ones, and also that the larger the number of deaths, the lower the valueability of each death. Some Maniac, Huh!?
@Pamela All this talk about pride and prestige,reminds me of my top student streak so far.
To add to Officer McLoughlin's refusal to defeat...Excluding the motivation given to him near the end of the film (that vision of his wife),do you think he might've had a rough background of where he came from? He was talking about how pain keeps him alive,when he was young did he have to face hard times,so it reflects his personality today?
@Talha It's sad how someone can give up their whole life for someone else,but then someone else can take out millions of people and show how easy it is to that person to end someone's life.It shows how much every person values everything around them.
@Thomas I will not stop until you are completely annihilated!
@ cripple yeah he does seem like a maniac but i think that it is the way people may react when one person dies it is mentioned more then a bunch that is what i think he means.
@Talha Furthermore,this could even relate to the extremists.The extremists must've made a very difficult decision to decide to hijack planes and fly them into planes with thousands inside.They had to place their faith over humans,which means they must of had been very devout.
@SharpShooter The tactics and power required to accomplish such a feat is monumental (Not to be celebrated).Being able to have that much power takes more than a genius to obtain as Stalin did.
Now I will retire! I was supposed to be asleep 23 minutes ago >_>
At Gurinder Or maybe as Mr Cheney had stated, that they had the wrong interpretations of their beliefs and thus they use that to justify their actions in the wrong way, you are correct to call them extremists. Or maybe they had no justifications and they just did it without any purpose, mindlessly(never mind, they already found the purpose of the attacks).
@ gurinder it is sad how people give up their lives to save others but they are doing it so others can live, if he dies he will be able to save others, i think that George bush was thinking that when after they got attacked and he went to war he will go down in history since history is written by the victors.
i agree with cripple gurinder yes they chose their lives over what they believed in as Talha stated they are extremist if your are to in to something (not to bring this up as it is suppose to be in another soon to be topic) my religion is the opposite violence like killing is a bad thing.
@ cripple they have decided to take down the twin towers the American super power symbolically but the statue of liberty seemed appropriate since it represented what America was.
@ cripple that sucks since they trusted someone and they got betrayed, like America and the extremist they did what they believed in and everyone turns to them for help, like with Arod it seemed like he was going to leave and just ditch them.
- Stalin was a paranoid opportunist and a ruthless murderer, an entire lesson!!!
- no winner declared until the end
-The architects of 9/11 truly believed that they were led by the spiritual world. Often religious extremest do know and understand their religion so much so that they use it to justify ungodly acts. If a strange vicious irony.
I think the movie was sensational because it might have made the people very emotional that they lost someone in the world trade center attack. The movie looked realistic because it seemed like we were actually there.. witnessing whatever was happening. I think the best part of the movie was when the officers got rescued because their family members were really happy or probably in the end when their all at the thank you ceremony when the officers daughter runs up to hug him because he got to see his daughter and his wife again.
@Niida I'd agree,it is sensational.Getting a perspective of how the victims actually felt,how the police officers had to cope with the problems.It also gets you thinking about how much of an impact you've made on the world,too.
@Thomas I did say that they give up their lives for someone else...
9/11 was a disaster.All it did was leave families broken apart,thousands dead and a scar to the entire nation.Also,it's lead to more wars and attacks on North America.If Bush went to war,and thought he'd actually win,thinking he could be a war hero...Let alone be in history, he must've been extremely incorrect.
@Sharp Shooter I don't think that Arod was betrayed at all.Arod just wasn't on time to catch up so he was slowly coming behind and then he was crushed.It just happened to be he wasn't fast enough.Also,Arod could've had some falling rocks slowing him down or he had something else on his mind.
@Mr Cheney If extremists and other individuals/groups truly believe their faith and they justify horrendous acts,does it mean that it's impossible to persuade them out of such violence? If America sent a message with the rest of the world to the extremists where ever in the world,wouldn't they realize what they're doing is wrong? Or is it that they're unaware that its ironic and they don't know how the rest feel?
@Talha The exremists that caused 9/11 believed they were holy warriors,this means that they knew what they were doing.It could've been the wealth of the U.S. that was too much,like they were trying to create an equilibrium because other places in the world were suffering from hunger,poverty,war,etc.
@Mr Cheney Stalin killed 20 million people,but he was taken out by tasteless rat poison.How strong and threatening people are,but how vulnerable they can be.
Speaking of vulnerability...Terrorism is still an on going ''war''.Soon enough,the extremists will discover a vulnerability of our defenses,and use it against us.And,as the world advances,technology will become more and more powerful:Only leading to more damage.
Also...Once the world advances more and more,people will rely on technology more than themselves.As that happens,will people forget about their religion and be distracted by technology? Will people be so distracted that terrorism won't exist because they believe in their own mechanical products more than their faith that provokes them into murdering innocent lives?
@Pamela Instead of trying to keep a legend going,it could be that he's suffered too much as a police officer going through 9/11,that he was about to give up the will to live because he thought of his country as something someone should live and die for.To serve and protect,the exact opposite was shown by him in the movie.
sorry i could not get on most of last night so ill answer your question now@mrcheney I dont think people say everything happens for a reason to make things easier to deal with. Like you said somethings do happen beyond our reasoning and control. But they happen for a reason maybe its a test because I personally belive in god and I feel that his plan is what will happen so he makes something happen and sometimes only he knows why.
@gurinder I dont think that that will ever happen people ownt be distracted by technology soo much that they forget about religon, because religion is entrenched in many of todays societys.
@Gurinder they did not necesseraly know what they were doing but they might have been educated in their religion but they could just take parts from whatever scripture they belive parts not the whole scenetes to justify what they did or do.
The movie was awsometacular because it showed the true freindship between will and john and that if one died the other would too and that they reall cared about eachother
in a word this movie was tense...and also interesting because it made you think what if it was one of your family members...what would you do??It really got to me because the the pregnant women thinking about her husband and and wanting him to come home,it was sweet.
uh we team 7 were all busy doing our science projects on the last day(last night), so i dont any of us much blogging done because of that, but i know thats mine and steph's reason for sure,soo yeah but 3/129 is pretty bad...............
@gurinder your just lucky that I have not been able to acces the blog as much these past two blogs next blog when I have time to go on 27 posts whilst it may not be your full potential will definetly look like a microscopic speck of dust compared to what I have next to put up!!!!!!!!!
ok we didnt do anything on our science, so it took most of us the whole day and i did do alittle partcipation!!!!!!!ok 2 commets, i didnt have much time !!!!and it goes on our report crad!!!so yea!!!and .02 is horrible i agree, but yea
So does blogging, and posting twice is ok when you get busy, but Janat you don't need to defend, but if it was known ahead of time then it should have been communicated rather then waiting to be called out.
Being the best doesnt matter when it comes to a team if u work together everyone can say they all were the best And i give the movie a 5star because it made me cry knowing that many families lost there loved ones and to see we dont care but if we lost our loved ones like that and never got to see them again its hard then to the victims they wanted to die but didnt want to let go of there families and for some of them all the pain was for nothing they ended up dying.
Good point, but as a team we want to know all members are pushing themselves to be the best. If we were satisfied with not being great this blog would have died out at 34 entries. Some team mates will end up being better because this is realistic but every member of the team should be trying to be their best, and every member of the team should demand the best from everybody around them.
i thought that the movie was very excruciating and accelerating because in the ending you just thing that they're not going to make it out alive and they're never going to be able to see their children again. then you see them out of the rubble, it tells you that anything is possible
ReplyDeleteyes good observation. But as "anything is possible" lets not forget the endless amount of people where "anything" was not possible. It is wonderful to hear of stories of survival but lets also realize that we can sometimes fall victim to acts of randomness that can forever change our lives without it being the result of our character and the type of life we have led.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed that our poll results concerning iread have been compromised. Many votes are missing. please revote if you can and lets get 26 total votes for each poll
ReplyDeleteI think that the movie in a word was very Sobering.The movie showed how the citizens didn't even know what was going on,and how they had to deal with an attack.To think it was a mistake,but then to find out it was intentional,is terrifying.To know that there's a group of extremists that are out to take down your country and what it stands for is absolutely terrible.The event itself,was something that was never expected.To be hated,to have to cope with a loved one's loss (let alone thousands and an eternal scar to a whole Nation)is something that nobody should have to face.
ReplyDeleteFor me the most powerful scene wass the scene where officer Mclauglan (john) saw his wife and that was what helped him will himself through his ordeal.
ReplyDelete@mrcheney I agree anything can happen in life But I personally also belive that everything happens for a reason no matter how bad the event may seem it happens for a reason.
And like johns monolouge at the end I also think that even though the event was a terrible thing that it brought out the real kindness in people, people helping people just because it was the right thing to do.
In a word, i would say this movie was kinda surpurisng becasue i didnt really think they would come out, and everything that was happening, like the rocks or pices of the building material all on fire and rolling on them. i thought atleast one of them would die......but they didnt but then i also thought of all the other people who dies, whose bodies werent found, who went mossing , who jumped off the twin towers, so yeah
ReplyDelete@jan101 yeah that was a strong scene as well when they showed the people jumping it just made you think again about how bad it must have been up there to jump.
ReplyDeleteOne of the most powerful parts of the movie I had seen was when Officer McLoughlin and Will Jimeno were talking about how they shouldn't give up and they shouldn't fall asleep,how if one of them dies,the other one will give up and die too.I think it's one of the most powerful scenes in the story because it shows how much teamwork is involved in being a hero that has to survive every day of life knowing that he or she has that risk of dying to save a life.Also,it shows the influence a leader can have to the team,and vice versa.The leader wouldn't be able to have the motivation without the Will still being alive to help stay awake and not give up hope,and Officer McLoughlin helped Will stay awake,to not give up hope and know that he wills survive.
ReplyDelete@El Presidente I don't even think they were thinking,the fear was so conspicuous that the ones on the roof panicked and had to jump,only to realize that they had made a mistake the moment their feet lifted off the ground.
ReplyDeleteThe second the plane hit the building,the stranded civilians were doomed.The moment that the plane hit the building,their lives were already gone.There was no way to escape.
To know something like that MUST of had been terrible.Terrible is an UNDER statement actually.
@MrCheney the polls seem to be glitched or something...My vote on the iRead poll was shown the other day,but now when i logged in my vote isn't there,and when I try revoting,it doesn't affect the polls at all.
ReplyDeletein a word i would say the movie was shocking especial the part were the building imploded it happened really fast all you can see was the building collapsing as if it was something from the matrix, also i didn't expect them to survive ether. The part were you see him trapped and the fireball came down i thought he was done for sure. I also agree with gurinder that scene were the said if one of them dies the other will die to.
ReplyDelete@ gurinder if terrible is an understatement then what would you say that it is unforgettable?
ReplyDelete@ Darth, great new name
ReplyDelete@ Zak, yes i respect your statement that everything happens for a reason, but i challenge you that Humans create understanding and justification by claiming everything happens for a reason. I think sometimes Humans do this to make things easier to deal and cope with.
somethings just happen beyond our reasoning and control and we must react to them. Only in hindsight can we make the claim everything happens for a reason. any thoughts???
In a word i would say the movie was in depth. it made you think of how lucky we are to have people risking their lives for us and showing us that every time we leave the front door, you never now if you will be coming back, i liked the parts where they have the Sargent and the other officer under the rubble talking about things to keep them awake and alive and there is no holding back that you wouldn't want to say in the conversation, as they were thinking just in case they werent going to make it out alive. from what i saw those were my favorite parts.
ReplyDelete@ Cameron true it those types of scenes always give that feeling.
ReplyDeleteAnd jan it is sad that, that happened some people were never found since that everyone at that time never did think that they can fall, also when the scene where the building was starting to fall and that pulse of debris i though they would have just died right there.
@SharpShooter
ReplyDeleteI shouldn't even be describing it,I'm not obliged to describe something without eyewitness experience...
i agree with adam that we are lucky to have people like that, and cheney took the words out of my mouth before i was able to challenge zak that. so @ elpresidente do you think that things happen for a reason? or is it just mere coincidence that these things just happened? with out us knowing. This is what i just think you can disagree with me and i have no disrespect to what you think
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney
ReplyDeleteThanks? Cower in fear of my greatness!
On Topic:The idea of everything having a reason and being justified by that,could all be false.There is no real reason anything happens,for example,Extremists.The extremists that caused the indescribable disaster,that is 9/11 might have not only done it because it was their beliefs,morals and values that influenced them.Something that seems almost entirely unrelated,not even remotely close to them could affect their decisions drastically,like the population of a country far off in a different Continent.Or,it could be something directly related,like jealousy or believing that they should take away what the World Trade Center had,so they can feel like some places in the world.Places where disasters have happened.
@ sharpshooter ya i agree i was expecting the toweres were going to collapse a little bit farther into the movie, not at the very beginning, also like you said whet they saw the huge pieces of concrete started to implode at the end of the hall, it happened so fast that i didnt know that the towers were collapsing, and one thing i diddnt
ReplyDeleteunderstand is that why even when they were under the rubble, there was still these massive implosions, i know once the other tower fell, but why even more times
@ Cheney if it was like that on how everything happens for a reason, and it was like some chess game on how you are able to control what your opponent was able to do and were they move. Then I think that it it is just that it happens and we were at a bad place at a bad time or if it is something good we got lucky or it was meant to happen its a hard one to say whether it is just a coincidence or was meant to happen.
ReplyDeleteI think that the movie in a word was intense. I say this because there some very intense scenes like when the building was collapsing and they were running to the elevator. Or when the elevator started collapsing and they were coughing and struggling to survive. But I think the scene that stood out most to me was the scene where a person was falling from the building because they jumped. That scene literally sent a chill up my spine. It's almost beyond words. I mean, what kind of crazy situation would give you the circumstances where one of your options was to JUMP from 80 floors or higher. That scene will stick with me for a long time. It is just an example of one of the many intense scenes in the movie.
ReplyDeleteA adam I'm, guessing that the some of the parts weren't stable like the ruble and metal work and fell in they were basically under the towers and in the elevator shaft or what was left of it. That part is basically connected to a lot of the floors.
ReplyDelete@ adam and thomas I thought that the towers would fall later in the movie too. I thought that they would be at the towers longer than they were before they fell. I also thought they would've helped some people out of the building before they fell. But I didn't understand where the fireballs came from when they were stuck in the elevator shaft? Was it more of the building collapsing? It also makes you realize how lucky you are to be alive because so many of them died but only one had a dramatic death scene.
ReplyDelete@Sharpshooter
ReplyDeleteA connection to today's afternoon's chess game,I see.
The building came crashing down along with the people early in the movie because it was around 8-10 when it happened,everyone was just waking up and getting ready for the day.Also,the director wanted to catch the audience's attention quickly,like the capture scene in the beginning of our Movie,that we'll be filming soon.
The movie could be described in many words. Humbling, intense, sad, in-depth.
ReplyDeleteDid you guys finish watching the movie? Can anyone fill me in on what happened if you did?
In a word i think this movie was very suprising because of all the events that happened. The most suprising part was when they rescued the officers that were in need of help. I aggre with @Cameron, i thought that they werent going to end up getting found, and not being able to see their family again. But suprise, they did.
ReplyDelete@Alyssa The fireballs were the ignited flammable rubble in the building.When the jet fuel soaked the flammable rubble,and the friction sparks (friction resisted the kinetic energy,transforming it into thermal energy)ignited the rubble,and the rubble created spheres of fire that fell down the elevator shaft.The heat was attracted to some type of material,or gravity took its course and the fire spheres were directed down wards.To actually see a ball of fire is rare,it takes an explosion at the right calculations or an intentional fire to create one.
ReplyDeleteI mean...That's just my background knowledge
Hope it helps?
@Alyssa
ReplyDeleteIn a short summary,the officers were saved by marines,fire men/women,police officers and other heroes.It took some time for them to get out,and after they did,it showed a scene 2 years later.It showed how even after 2 years their lives where changed for ever.
In short,the movie was romanticized.
@Mentally Superior in the Dark Arts of Negativity and Criticism,Artistically Overpowering,Imperial Overlord of the Entire Universe and beyond,Darthinder
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you said the most powerful part was when they were showing teamwork. I find that having teamwork is very important.
The best part of the movie was when there were alot of people in a crowd the one of the officers daughter ran up to him and gave him a hug. I think that was the best part because there was a chance that he wouldnt be able to see her again. And i think that hug ment alot to him because of all the things he went through
ReplyDelete@Gurinder the fireball scene makes sense now. oh and the marine that saved them was that the guy they kept on showing like him going to the tower and I think getting his hair cut or something like that. And how had their lives changed 2 years later? Did they have a new outlook on life or a new appreciation? Or did something else happen?
ReplyDeletetrue Pamelaa, that was a perrty nice scene, and that why i think they ended it that way
ReplyDelete@Mentally Superior in the Dark Arts of Negativity and Criticism,Artistically Overpowering,Imperial Overlord of the Entire Universe and beyond,Darthinder
i wouldnt really say romanized because it a true story , so it actually happened , that actually happened luckilly for john and will, but not for the rest of them, many more people dies and i saw in the end of the movie , when they were telling facts like how only 20 or 2 lived from the attack
@Zak , i agree with you when you say the most powerful part was when john saw his wife and that helped him will himself through his ordeal.
ReplyDelete@ gurinder I'm pretty sure i heard them say the time was 9 something but not the time the building came crashing down and yet it crashed down that's why i think it crashed down to early. It was romanticized true but they were trying to give us a good feeling that they survived.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree it is a true story and their survival isn't some symbolic romanticized ending rather just a small moment when miracles do happen.
ReplyDeleteFunny how today's assembly is about Teamwork and the movie seems to be about teamwork, since the scene the showed with the marines and so on like Pamela said and the part when they were trapped, Will tried to keep John alive by talking to him.
ReplyDelete@Alyssa, you can borrow the film to see the ending, despite the summary provided, the movie is powerful to see.
ReplyDelete@Alyssa It didn't really show anything about them being changed other than physically,which was several surgeries they had to go through.The 2 years later part was more of a denouement,tying up the loose ends like how Will lived to see her kid that was inside his wife,and the commemoration of the event.In the commemoration,it was a few minutes long,just showing how the two police officers gave thanks to their family.It was the thought and love of their families that kept them motivated and living during the time in the rubble.
ReplyDeleteto me the movie world trade center was informative and excruciating because i never thought that someone will find officers john and will all the way down there because i thought no one will ever go down there to rescue them or search for them and if someone would, i was thinking how would they possibly go down there but you never know and at last they rescued them. the movie was really informative because how they showed the people getting out from the towers and the way they showed that after the plane hit the second tower and the officers were in the tower evacuating people and how the tower was shaking and the way they ran, that showed or gave us a closer look like from the inside of the tower rather than just outside. i was really shocked about how the towers were falling down so fast you know like unimaginable.
ReplyDeleteto me the most powerful part was when john and Will were stuck in the tower and talking about how they should not give up and should not fall asleep and if one of them dies the other person will give up and die too. and that was showing teamwork which was theme of this month,just like gurinder said. and so this was the most powerful part to me from the whole movie.
@Sharpshooter i agree with you because i never knew they were actually going to survive when the bulding exploded. That part was very intense because the explosion was suprising and quite scary. I wonder how the officers were feeling/thinking when they felt the building shaking and the explosion
ReplyDeleteYes a great main idea is team work
ReplyDeletebetween John and Will and in the bigger picture between all the firemen and police officers.
this puts a bit more understanding into how the Yankees became the cities brightest moments in the months following. remember back to George Bush throwing that 1st pitch...a city threatened, a city with resolve.
What did you think of the Marine who spent the entire film working "alone" he was the opposite of teamwork?
thats my favourite and most emotional part of the film when the Marine looks down and yells "Im a Marine, You are my Mission!"
There are many emotional scenes in this movie but the team work part was very on your edge of your seat since they had to help john stay alive even though he was drifting off.
ReplyDeleteI really didn't understand how the other guy died or how it set off the gun when the fireball came down I thought that it would have burned him and gave him 3rd degree burns. I'm still shocked how the buildings came down, it looked like they used some scenes from the actual event s like when George bush was talking and when the towers collapsed
in a word the movie was in-dept and it had a really strong effect in the end.i think the movie
ReplyDeletehad more action in the ending where both of them get pulled out and are encouraged to keep fighting with their body until they get help.everyone is talking about the most powerful part i think that would be when john's wife encourages him to stay awake and tells him she and their family needs him.
@ Hitakshee
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you say you never thought anyone would go down there and search for them. I also thought that the 2 officers that were searching for any people wouldnt hear the trapped officers. But luckily they did and that was a good scene also
The 3rd officer (ARod) gets crushed while helping out Will ... its when the 2nd tower collapses
ReplyDeleteThe gun was set off by the heat
the film used a lot of authentic footage (the news commentators were all the original ones...I remember them well from that day)
I'm thinking that the marine wanted to look for some survivors and did not want to risk the fact that others would get injured since the floor or pieces of the building might collapse on them or he was not authorized to go in the area since it was restricted.
ReplyDeleteit was important to rescue them because they hadn't found anybody...not even dead bodies.
ReplyDeleteThere was an urgency to save them, that somehow they represented something more then just 2 police officers
@ mr.cheney he ended up doing teamwork in the end
ReplyDeletei saw him when john was passed through the crowd of officers and the firefighters
i agree with Zak that whatever happens it happens for a reason and that reminds me of my grandfather always saying that whatever bad or good happens to you always think that it happens for your own good. so i agree with Zak that whatever happens it happens for a reason. i also agree with Mr.Cheney that humans say this to make things easier to deal and cope with. Because when someone tells this to someone that person gets calm down from whatever reason they were upset or mad at and then that person will not blame about what happen on other people or them self because they will think that it happened for a reason. and so i agree with both Zak and Mr.Cheney.
ReplyDeleteyes i agree with heli he ended up doing teamwork in the end when john was passed through the crowd of officers and the firefighters.
ReplyDeleteYes for that reason i think it was very important to rescue them, and yes i think they did represent more than 2 police officers because of what they did.
ReplyDeleteHe was there but he didn't bond with anyone else. Like when the exchanged names, he didn't he asked to be called Sargent.
ReplyDeleteHe helped the team, but he remained distant from everybody else, he was on his own mission, dictated by God and the Marines.
@Mr Cheney I was wondering if that footage was authentic because it looked pretty real. It also sounded like it but I wasn't sure if it was because it's a movie and they could make something look realistic but not really be.
ReplyDelete@Pamela It seems as if all your posts are just agreements,so I'd like to request a challenge...
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about the marine trying to save trapped survivors under the rubble by himself (disregarding the second soldier that was assisting) instead of bringing the whole armada to come help in the first place? And why do you think that the Officers had a will strong enough to stay alive for so long?
@ hitakshee and heli that is a hard one to debate but it is basically what you believe.
ReplyDeleteya i am stumped now
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ReplyDelete@Thomas that's true it is basically what you believe. Some people might say everything happens for a reason but others would say it doesn't.
ReplyDeleteIll answer the second questions first
ReplyDelete@ Gurinder
Well i think that the officers had a will strong enough to stay alive for so long is because they couldnt just give up. They had families at home and they couldnt just stop because of the pain and them thinking they would never get rescued . They went out of their way to save others and if they just gave up, they wouldnt complete their goal.
cant argue with your belifs :P
ReplyDelete@Gurinder I am going to answer one of your questions. I think that the officers had the will long enough to survive because they wanted to come home to see their families so they tried survive for that much longer.
ReplyDeleteYes, we have to believe in something, tough to understand the world around us if we haven't created morals and beliefs to interpret all we see.
ReplyDeleteI like to evaluate and relate and asses the things that go on around me. I don't like simple answers, as you can tell i'm a firm believer in the complexity of all things.
@pamela i agree that they couldnt let all those people down, that reminds me that officers etc. are still looking through the rubble to see if they can find anyone, not alive obviously but for everyone else that was close to that person.
ReplyDelete@Pamela, you can take on the forces of Darthinder! go for it!
ReplyDelete@ heli yeah for some reason the end of the movie did have more action, but it the part you were talking about i think that is more of one of those near death experience and hope that they survive moments but yeah a lot more action.
ReplyDelete@ hitakshee i was thinking the same thing about them getting rescued but i thought that it would have been to late especially when they went in and i thought the whole thing was going to collapsed. When the tower was starting to collapse the second one i thought the pulse of debris would have buried them and never be found or it shocked the whole place.
In a word he world trade center movie was shocking but a little predictable too shocking because when the building was collapsing and during the time the two officers were trapped they never gave up truthfully i was expecting one of them to die.Predictable because since we read the book i was like the names are the same and it was like they were just about to die and then they sprang back to life making it sorta obvious that they would survive
ReplyDeletei agree with Pamela the the officers had stayed alive because they never gave up and also because they had families and they can't stop thinking about them. they were also alive because Will kept on thinking about the movie dialogue that pain is your friend and....so i agree with Pamela.
ReplyDelete@ Darthinder, thats what i just said
ReplyDeleteYou cant challenge other people beliefs, but you can make sure that yours are willing to change and adapt to your surroundings and your ever changing knowledge of the world around you.
ReplyDeleteas you experience more and learn more your beliefs will evolve and change. So debating beliefs in a professional manner is a good thing. because it will be new knowledge for all.
I have morals and values but they are not set in stone, life changes, i change, and I want to adapt and be open.
i have to agree with Pamela that is what i also believe why he went in like that for gurinder's question
ReplyDelete@ gurinder i think he was just stubborn (ok never mind that)i think that he didn't take the whole army with him because what if he didn't find anyone and then it would be waste of time then for the others.and anyway other officer were looking for people who were trap too.
ReplyDeleteremember when one of them said where are the other people who got killed there were hundreds of them.they can't just disappear. which happened they turned into dust.
@Mr Cheney
ReplyDeleteNobody can take on the pure energy that emits from my typed text,the impulse waves are too strong it leaves the readers to cower in fear!
@Pamela
What about keeping a legend/streak going? Officer McLoughlin was considered at a very high prestige,do you think it might've been pride that could've kept him alive too?
yes they didn't give up...but don't assume that all those that died had given up. Its a nice main idea to say never give up and look what will happen you can survive anything...but thousands of tough, resilient, never give up people, died a horrible death.
ReplyDeleteagain don't simplify never giving up, we just don't hear the story of those that never gave up , but died anyway.
Yes Darthinder you are a true Jedi Master of the english language, but alas many love a challenge...
ReplyDeleteI thought that the movie and the 9/11 incident generally in a word is symbolic, reason being that there were many point of views towards what exactly happened, the national view, the international view, the controversial view, as well as many more. Since that is the case, there are many symbolisms for the incident, an example is, in the national point of view, Ground Zero is a memorial for all those who died and gave their lives to save those that were physically in the building and around the building. The symbolism for whoever actually was responsible for the attacks could be something like a very prominent message based on their own views. As Mr. Cheney also said, John and Will were symbolic for more then just two people, the movie depicted how the saviors of John and Will and any Firefighters/Medics/Policemen/Marines that were associated with the patrolling of Ground Zero within a few hours of the collapse for survivors and bodies in general, took about saving any survivors, they put their own lives for them, and they only managed to save twenty.
ReplyDelete@Heli With thousands in the towers,the Marine must've thought there must be tens if not hundreds that are still alive under the rubble,so I don't think it could've been a wasted effort.
ReplyDeleteAt the time,it seems that the army just believed that the majority were under rubble,still alive.
i wouldn't say the all the officers and officials were not there because they had to, but more like a gesture, because in real life those guys spent weeks of countless hours of looking for survivors, its not lake any ordinarily thing where the official said "ok lets pick this up tomorrow" because they now what the thousands of loved ones were going through at home,l in a way worse situation than any of those officials ever had to go through, and we saw in the movie what the loved ones were going through
ReplyDeletebut heli if he didn't find anyone and took those people it would not be a waste of time because if he would have took more people with him then maybe those people could have looked somewhere else while he was looking somewhere else so i don't think that it would be a waste of time. but instead it would be helpful to take them with you they can help you search for people too.
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney Grand Master is more like it,oh and tetris too.
ReplyDeleteI think I've sent enough beams of non-elemental mana energy into the readers' computers...The power should be strong enough to make the circuit boards fry inside the computers.
Going to retire from the blog now,hopefully I've retained my title of Top Student
Quality,Not Quantity is something that needs to be shown here.
The Marine is an interesting character.
ReplyDeleteMoral and just but not seemingly emotionally attached to the people he was with. He was alone, the guy he was working with was the suspended paramedic.
@Mr Cheney From my point of view no one gives up without a fight, and we saw in the movie, the officers under the rubble, the officers seaching above, the love ones at home, not loosing hope.
ReplyDeleteYes Darthinder, the quality is the key element and indeed you have arrived with a sinister game tonight but YESSSS SIIIRRRRRR many others have as well. I will deliver the stats in the am.
ReplyDeleteps go enjoy your video games!!!!
Heli if you were an officer and searching for people who are trapped and are still struggling to get out wouldn't you want a hand like wouldn't you want someone to come with you because you know that you can't do it by yourself and so if there are more people than maybe everyone can search in different places. so do you think that you need some people with you or not?
ReplyDeletefinally with darthinder out of the way thwe real convo can begin and the chance to beat him at top student
ReplyDeleteyes I agree Adam but the same is true for the thousands of people who did die.
ReplyDeleteThey never gave up, their families never stopped believing, and yet they died.
we oversimplify that never giving up was the key to their being rescued but there must be other elements at play because thousands of others didn't give up either.
The Marine didn't go down by himself because he was there doing a job, not taking risks to be a hero, he was a trained soldier and knowing that he made the call to get the best people to take over the rescue.
ReplyDeletetop student is up for grabs until the very last moment at 8:39
ReplyDeletetime to go, jerssy shore in halfenhour, and dont forget:
ReplyDeleteQuantity like Blogging Begins at home
@ Darthinder
ReplyDeletePerhaps the effort wasn't wasted because it gave the people who were related to those missing some hope, and that hope was crushed for the massive majority of loved ones. It also gave America a good image, that they were going to do the heroic thing and venture into the dark wasteland and search for America's Businesspeople, and those who served the emergency service units that were also trapped in the clutches of the debris. Sadly, only 20 survived, and in the long run, there was more malice than retribution. The war against terrorism, which was labeled after the 9/11 attacks, started, and ever since, the world has been in constant red alert towards "Terrorists".
Do you not agree?
@ Gurinder -_-
ReplyDeleteWell i think that pride has also kept him alive because he didnt want to let people down. If he is considered to be at a high prestige, then he wouldnt just want to end his accomplishment. He had every chance to just 'give up' but he didnt. He had to keep his legend going because he had to keep it live. If it ended there then someone would take over. I think that he did this job not only for him, but for safty around the world. So if it ended there than his goal would be finished
i agree that we should also think about the people who died but never gave up in the real time when the 9/11 attack happened. but from the movie if we are talking it is obvious that people will mostly focus on JOHN and WILL because like they were the main characters in the movie an so i think that everyone was paying more attention on them (including me) than rather thinking about other people who died but never gave up. but now i think that people are not going to focus on never give up that much, they might but they are going to also think about the people who died and never gave up,there families weren't ready to believe that how would they have felt that time.i think no one ever thought about those people but now i think people will think about them and then response the question.
ReplyDeleteYes Talha
ReplyDeleteThe event sparked and shaped the world we live in today- changing the entire path of mankind.
yeah the marine is a strange character but all those officers marines and ect did believe that a lot of people were alive and i agree with pamela on how he was kept alive with his pride but also thinking about his family like the part were he was dreaming about his wife and in his head imagining her trying to encourage him to stay up.
ReplyDeletenobody ever talks about the people who never give up but don't make it. In all aspects of life. But in reality this number of people is millions more then the people who make it.
ReplyDeleteIts a falsehood to believe that as long as you never give up you will make it. It takes a great deal more then not giving up to make it, somethings you control and others like I mentioned at the beginning you don't.
it all comes back to simplicity over complexity, and making it or being the only survivor takes much more then just not giving up. For John and Will it started with John knowledge of the towers. He knew to get to the elevator shafts, he had survival training, they were lucky enough to be close by to them, some things he controlled and others he didn't.
i agree pamela, he would just not want to end this accomplishment like this because he just didn't wanted to give up, i also agree he never ended this because not only for him but his safety around the world because he would not want to be embarrassed in class because he had been the top student to blog and doesn't want to be the second one so he had to keep this thing going on for ever. so i agree pamela.
ReplyDeletewell see ya i have to go to sleep.
@ cripple yeah it is very symbolic on how they showed that and i how the showed different views on it, to me it is a lot like ground zero which i have to re watch to me how they were honoring the people who died but with this movie also who survived it. But you perhaps the effort wasn't wasted if not then why do you think they would believe and hold onto a blind faith that they were still alive since it seemed a lot of people have died. It did give America a good image since they were going to retaliate against terrorism, but the sad fact is a lot of people died in the tower and more in the war. A death is a tragedy, millions is a statistic.
ReplyDeletegurinder is going to keep trying to be top student.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing what Cheney said goes back to believing whether things happen for a reason or it was just mere coincidence john had training so he was prepared and when the marine came by to see if anyone was alive there was a chance since if you never give up you'll succeed but there was a chance that he wouldn't have found them but he did give it a try and found them.
@ Hitakshee yes the movie did focus on will and john but they were the people the director chose to symbolize.
@ Cheney can you announce who was tied for second or first to see if darthinder did get it?
ReplyDeleteI think that there is no waste of effort only what you did is what you believed in doing, lots of people looking for people who worked in those towers was the smart thing even though there would be lots of deaths there was a chance of finding someone. It gave them a good image but when they got trapped in the war that kinda withered away during that time.
I have to agree with you, Mr. Cheney, because the people that never gave up and failed to succeed didn`t get their moment in the limelight, they are gone, so then this "Cliche" needs to be understood properly because it is way deeper then what we all see it as. You have helped us understand certain phrases like so and allowed us to comprehend the deeper meaning. We always have romanticized beliefs. It has been indoctrinated in us since our early stages in life. We all know Dora The Explorer, she does on these little adventures with her friends, and in the end, they always succeed, no matter the obstacles they face, but I guess theres Romanticism because the young child`s brain is tender and cannot capacitate defeat towards their idol without breaking down or crying or being emotionally depressed (a little on the extreme side), and I'm guessing thats why the cartoons are romanticised. Even now, books and movies are still romanticized, one thing I dont get, is that there is still romanticism in a fair amount of movies in Hollywood, my conclusion to that may be that I doubt there is reality anymore in the world of Hollywood, there is romanticisation in a lot of movies, but then there cant be two extremes either, you cant have all movies where the plot to overthrow the problem fails, that would just be depressing. All I think that Hollywood needs, is some balance. Also, The John/Will relationship reminds me of a movie that came out recently, called unstoppable, its about a veteran train conducter, Played by Denzel Washington, with his Protege on his first day, and they are trying to deal with an unmanned runaway train going at an average of 140km/h, and it gets pretty interesting, but the idea is the same, they both are about to die, yet they are in this together, and there are a lot of the same main ideas involved, in my own judgement. It is a pretty good movie
ReplyDeleteThe empire strikes back! I WILL dominate the blog and I WILL become the top student!
ReplyDelete@Talha The effort wasn't wasted,I know that even one life to save IS an accomplishment,since saving life means saving a whole family from misery...
It is a tragedy that Arod died just hours before he was going to be saved.
ReplyDeletesince everyone was talking about how people if they keep believing or holding onto a blind faith they would succeed finding those people. It reminds me on how 3 years ago i went traveling and a boy got drifted of to sea and died, his family and a bunch of other people tried looking for him hoping that he was alive. @ gurinder you already won so stop it.
Sharpshooter
ReplyDeletethat quote is by the famous mass murderer of the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin, although the quote is realistic in a way, it was used to justify his mass murder of 65 million people, triple of that which Hitler Killed, and the ironic part, they were both end to end, Stalin and Hitler had a coalition and they worked together for a bit in WWII, Then Hitler broke the truce and attacked the Soviet Union
Also, Sharpshooter
ReplyDeleteI think what Stalin was trying to imply that the loved ones of one person would be notified of their death faster then a million deaths would be notified to their loved ones, and also that the larger the number of deaths, the lower the valueability of each death.
Some Maniac, Huh!?
@Pamela All this talk about pride and prestige,reminds me of my top student streak so far.
ReplyDeleteTo add to Officer McLoughlin's refusal to defeat...Excluding the motivation given to him near the end of the film (that vision of his wife),do you think he might've had a rough background of where he came from? He was talking about how pain keeps him alive,when he was young did he have to face hard times,so it reflects his personality today?
Darthinder, I never disagreed to agree. Welcome back -.-
ReplyDelete@ cripple alot of people will say it is cliché but some people will understand what it means for me them surviving i think that they were trying to show that America is still strong and when they get hit they'll prevail, or people who are to use to reviewing movies from the project.
ReplyDelete@Talha It's sad how someone can give up their whole life for someone else,but then someone else can take out millions of people and show how easy it is to that person to end someone's life.It shows how much every person values everything around them.
ReplyDelete@Thomas I will not stop until you are completely annihilated!
@ cripple yeah he does seem like a maniac but i think that it is the way people may react when one person dies it is mentioned more then a bunch that is what i think he means.
ReplyDelete@Talha Furthermore,this could even relate to the extremists.The extremists must've made a very difficult decision to decide to hijack planes and fly them into planes with thousands inside.They had to place their faith over humans,which means they must of had been very devout.
ReplyDelete@SharpShooter The tactics and power required to accomplish such a feat is monumental (Not to be celebrated).Being able to have that much power takes more than a genius to obtain as Stalin did.
ReplyDeleteNow I will retire! I was supposed to be asleep 23 minutes ago >_>
At Gurinder
ReplyDeleteOr maybe as Mr Cheney had stated, that they had the wrong interpretations of their beliefs and thus they use that to justify their actions in the wrong way, you are correct to call them extremists. Or maybe they had no justifications and they just did it without any purpose, mindlessly(never mind, they already found the purpose of the attacks).
@ gurinder it is sad how people give up their lives to save others but they are doing it so others can live, if he dies he will be able to save others, i think that George bush was thinking that when after they got attacked and he went to war he will go down in history since history is written by the victors.
ReplyDeletei agree with cripple gurinder yes they chose their lives over what they believed in as Talha stated they are extremist if your are to in to something (not to bring this up as it is suppose to be in another soon to be topic) my religion is the opposite violence like killing is a bad thing.
ReplyDelete@ cripple they have decided to take down the twin towers the American super power symbolically but the statue of liberty seemed appropriate since it represented what America was.
ReplyDelete@ cripple that sucks since they trusted someone and they got betrayed, like America and the extremist they did what they believed in and everyone turns to them for help, like with Arod it seemed like he was going to leave and just ditch them.
ReplyDeletewow...where to begin
ReplyDelete- Stalin was a paranoid opportunist and a ruthless murderer, an entire lesson!!!
- no winner declared until the end
-The architects of 9/11 truly believed that they were led by the spiritual world. Often religious extremest do know and understand their religion so much so that they use it to justify ungodly acts. If a strange vicious irony.
I think the movie was sensational because it might have made the people very emotional that they lost someone in the world trade center attack. The movie looked realistic because it seemed like we were actually there.. witnessing whatever was happening. I think the best part of the movie was when the officers got rescued because their family members were really happy or probably in the end when their all at the thank you ceremony when the officers daughter runs up to hug him because he got to see his daughter and his wife again.
ReplyDelete@Niida I'd agree,it is sensational.Getting a perspective of how the victims actually felt,how the police officers had to cope with the problems.It also gets you thinking about how much of an impact you've made on the world,too.
ReplyDelete@Thomas I did say that they give up their lives for someone else...
ReplyDelete9/11 was a disaster.All it did was leave families broken apart,thousands dead and a scar to the entire nation.Also,it's lead to more wars and attacks on North America.If Bush went to war,and thought he'd actually win,thinking he could be a war hero...Let alone be in history, he must've been extremely incorrect.
@Sharp Shooter I don't think that Arod was betrayed at all.Arod just wasn't on time to catch up so he was slowly coming behind and then he was crushed.It just happened to be he wasn't fast enough.Also,Arod could've had some falling rocks slowing him down or he had something else on his mind.
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney If extremists and other individuals/groups truly believe their faith and they justify horrendous acts,does it mean that it's impossible to persuade them out of such violence? If America sent a message with the rest of the world to the extremists where ever in the world,wouldn't they realize what they're doing is wrong? Or is it that they're unaware that its ironic and they don't know how the rest feel?
ReplyDelete@Talha The exremists that caused 9/11 believed they were holy warriors,this means that they knew what they were doing.It could've been the wealth of the U.S. that was too much,like they were trying to create an equilibrium because other places in the world were suffering from hunger,poverty,war,etc.
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney Stalin killed 20 million people,but he was taken out by tasteless rat poison.How strong and threatening people are,but how vulnerable they can be.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of vulnerability...Terrorism is still an on going ''war''.Soon enough,the extremists will discover a vulnerability of our defenses,and use it against us.And,as the world advances,technology will become more and more powerful:Only leading to more damage.
Also...Once the world advances more and more,people will rely on technology more than themselves.As that happens,will people forget about their religion and be distracted by technology? Will people be so distracted that terrorism won't exist because they believe in their own mechanical products more than their faith that provokes them into murdering innocent lives?
ReplyDeleteI've won this battle! I'll be top student again!
ReplyDelete@Pamela Instead of trying to keep a legend going,it could be that he's suffered too much as a police officer going through 9/11,that he was about to give up the will to live because he thought of his country as something someone should live and die for.To serve and protect,the exact opposite was shown by him in the movie.
sorry i could not get on most of last night so ill answer your question now@mrcheney I dont think people say everything happens for a reason to make things easier to deal with. Like you said somethings do happen beyond our reasoning and control. But they happen for a reason maybe its a test because I personally belive in god and I feel that his plan is what will happen so he makes something happen and sometimes only he knows why.
ReplyDelete@gurinder I dont think that that will ever happen people ownt be distracted by technology soo much that they forget about religon, because religion is entrenched in many of todays societys.
ReplyDelete@Gurinder they did not necesseraly know what they were doing but they might have been educated in their religion but they could just take parts from whatever scripture they belive parts not the whole scenetes to justify what they did or do.
ReplyDeleteit was great!
ReplyDeleteThe movie was awsometacular because it showed the true freindship between will and john and that if one died the other would too and that they reall cared about eachother
ReplyDeletethere will come a day darthinder where you will be beat as top student. and person is me!!!
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed when someone is highly motivated and driven by the word of God it becomes difficult to convince them otherwise.
ReplyDeleteYes Zak, your view that everything happens for a reason is one that is born from religion. And it certainly has value.
It will be interesting to see Religion in 50 years
in a word this movie was tense...and also interesting because it made you think what if it was one of your family members...what would you do??It really got to me because the the pregnant women thinking about her husband and and wanting him to come home,it was sweet.
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ReplyDeleteI will never lose the title of Top Student!
My power is unrivaled,and second to none!
the stats:
ReplyDelete129 posts (it is closed at 8:39)
13 / 26 participated 50%
9/ 26 posted 5 or more times 34%
3 / 26 posted 10 or more times 12%
Team 7 posted 3 / 129 posts .02%
Top Student
27 posts- Darthinder
24 posts - Thomas
11 posts - Pamela
@gurinder that day will be next blog when im at full power.muaahaha
ReplyDeleteuh we team 7 were all busy doing our science projects on the last day(last night), so i dont any of us much blogging done because of that, but i know thats mine and steph's reason for sure,soo yeah but 3/129 is pretty bad...............
ReplyDelete@El Presidtente 27 posts isn't my full potential.The multitude of your posts is child's play compared to mine!
ReplyDelete@gurinder your just lucky that I have not been able to acces the blog as much these past two blogs next blog when I have time to go on 27 posts whilst it may not be your full potential will definetly look like a microscopic speck of dust compared to what I have next to put up!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDelete.02 is horrible, yes school gets busy and you can't always give your best to each task, but that can justify less participation not no participation.
ReplyDeleteok we didnt do anything on our science, so it took most of us the whole day and i did do alittle partcipation!!!!!!!ok 2 commets, i didnt have much time !!!!and it goes on our report crad!!!so yea!!!and .02 is horrible i agree, but yea
ReplyDelete1 day i will be the mentally superior overlord of the technological arts known as the great headphones of the the blog
ReplyDeleteSo does blogging, and posting twice is ok when you get busy, but Janat you don't need to defend, but if it was known ahead of time then it should have been communicated rather then waiting to be called out.
ReplyDeleteIts not just about the amount of comments but what you write in the the posts like Mr Cheney said.
ReplyDeleteA sweep of amazing amount of quality blogs will hit the blog and it will go down in the history of the blog as El Presidentes El Nino effect.
ReplyDeleteYes it's quality!
ReplyDeletePlease stop promising to be the best, just be the best and let others tell you!
Being the best doesnt matter when it comes to a team if u work together everyone can say they all were the best
ReplyDeleteAnd i give the movie a 5star because it made me cry knowing that many families lost there loved ones and to see we dont care but if we lost our loved ones like that and never got to see them again its hard then to the victims they wanted to die but didnt want to let go of there families and for some of them all the pain was for nothing they ended up dying.
Good point, but as a team we want to know all members are pushing themselves to be the best. If we were satisfied with not being great this blog would have died out at 34 entries. Some team mates will end up being better because this is realistic but every member of the team should be trying to be their best, and every member of the team should demand the best from everybody around them.
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