I think that even though he helped the slaves be free of slave owner control, he is not worth being called a hero, because even though he did what he thought what he did was right, he did so many thing that were not even needed in his attempt to free the slaves like for one: chopping up slave owners and setting them on the family's front porch. Another is establishing an army of anti-slavery to take control and invade the south
it's kinda hard to decide since he is doing something great which is freeing slaves but at the same time he is murdering all these people which isn't really necessary. He was really obsessed with on how "evil" someone is like when he saw that a slave was getting whipped when he was twelve.
In my opinion John Brown was a misguided hero. There is no doubt that he helped people like that family whom they named their child after him and to them John Brown was probally seen as a hero. But at his time their were abolistinists that helped people non violently he even talked to them people like Harriet Tubman and I think Fredrick Douglas was an abolistionist as well and he was living in his atiic! And I feel John Brown did a greater harm to eventual slave freedom by attacking the military base at harpers ferry he was just adding fuel to the slave owners because they could say if we let slavery go this is what might happen to the people. His intentions were just but the way he went about completing them in my opinion were wrong.
I do not think that I could call John Brown a hero. He had good intentions which was to free slaves and he did free some. But I do not think that such violent measures were needed. I mean, chopping up slave owners right in front of their families. I think that that is just cruel. I know slavery was very harsh and cruel but I think that if John Brown wanted to get rid of it that there are other ways to do that then violence. He could've been non-violent and protest to get his way. There are many great leaders who used non-violence to protest against something and got what they wanted.
I agree with alyssa he did have good intentions, like freeing the slaves, his vilonce was to proove a point, but i dont think it were much needed. I also agree with zak, John Brown does seem like a misguided hero because he did have the intentions to help.
i think that john brown is not worth to call a hero but at the same time he is not worth to call villain too because he help free the slaves but at the same time he did some unnecessary things like killing the slaves owner in front of his family like really what was the point of doing that!i agree with Alyssa he did have good intentions which was to free slaves and like Alyssa said he did free some of them but still killing the slaves owner doesn't make sense.i agree with bailee John Brown does seem like a misguided hero because he had the intentions to help.
I think John Brown was a hero.The slave owners were treating the slaves that they should not even own not even like humans,so they should be treated back the same way.Brown's justifications for his retaliations were yes,drastic but it was the best action to take.I am sure that other slave owners might've started treating their slaves better or even letting them go because they were scared that John Brown might come after them.His justifications were that he was ruling with God's law,not Human's.He believed that he was doing what his God wanted him to do,and what he did was gruesome but it did end up saving several slaves.The slaves couldn't just stay as items of the owners,they needed to be free.
@Alyssa Killing the slave owners in any means possible was the only action available.You'd have to think about how the world was back then.People weren't as educated about the power of speech,and used violence to solve their problems.Yes,it was cruel but the slaves that would be free,the several that were locked up as items of the owners could live like humans again,if they ever did before becoming slaves.
I would call JOHN BROWN a hero but not agree to it 100%. The reason I say that is because he had the right opinion to free slaves.As the teacher at Yale University said (a mayor gave JOHN BROWN the key to the city for freeing 10 slaves).JOHN BROWN was willing to do right thing,it's just the way that he did it that bothers me.What I mean is that I would free slaves but I would not chop up slavesowners right in front of their families and through their bodies on the front steps of their houses.That is just cruel.No human deserves to be treaten like that.Although,he did live a stressful life (he tryed to do something successful he kept failing and failing and failing)that is no reason to go about and murder people.If he had freed slaves non-violently I would call him a 100% hero.
i do think john brown is a hero because he did think that no human being should be a slave and should be treated like a dog. i no what john brown did make some inappropriate things and set out some real Drusy messages to those who held slaves captive. like ML king, john brown did have some good intension's for what he believed was right, although ML King didn't over do it. ML King won his writes with class and forgiveness and John Brown really did take it to the extreme without chances especially at that time it was really risky and which make people think about their next move. Although today this makes me wonder, if i were a farmer back in the day and I was holding fugitive slaves captive and knowing that i might get killed because of that would i do it? what do you guys think??
i agree with gurinder the slaves owner was treating the slaves the way they should not be treated and he should be treated back the same way.but still he is not worth to be call a hero because if he really wanted to teach the owner a lesson maybe he could have done something else, maybe he should have tried to explain to him to treat the slaves nicely. but i still agree that the slaves owner was treating the slaves not nicely.
The intellect in all of us wants to say he was wrong "misguided" but if I was an oppressed people wonder if I would call him misguided.
When it comes to leadership don't we crave passion, and John Brown was passionate but also a doer, meaning he took action. The greatest limitation to the abolitionist were the abolitionists. They preferred to debate and make speeches rather then take action.
it seems like misguided is taking the lead but a challenge you that misguided is too simplistic...any thoughts????
seems like Gurinder is alone on his island at the moment but we shall see. Lets hope more people come on and voice their strong and educated opinions. Great work by the posts thus far, they are well articulated and obvious that you were listening and understanding the lecture today!
educated??? just a different type of education. The John Browns and many other were far more educated in the word of God then we are.
Lets not assume that they lacked the education to make intellectual conclusions and choices. I think this is a false prophecy of every generation - they think they are at the pinnacle and highest level of intellect.
Yes slave owners would certainly think twice about owning slaves if a free slave army was coming around to free them and execute the owners.
great connection to Martin Luther King...how about this to think about...the effectiveness of non violence is dependent on the existence of extreme violent groups. Non violent movements gain strength when violent extremist groups exist. (not a truth just another perspective to think about)
i would say john brown is a hero well like 50 percent and 50 percent other, because he hepled get slaves free from their owners and into freedom, but the way he dealed with the owners of the salves were bad and he was violent , but everybody has their own way of dealing things and that was john browns way.he could have gotten a better way of dealing with the owners, i agree with that because choping them up is cruel ...as alyssa said... and as all the other said, his intentions were good, but them if he wants to help slaves why didnt he just join a anti-slavery champaign
@Gurinder even if they weren't as educated about the power of speech I don't think that killing slave owners was the only action available. I still think that it was possible to use ,if not completely non-violent measures, but something different then just going out and killing slave owners. Also, just because they weren't as educated it doesn't mean they just used violence to solve their problems and get what they want. Some people should have been smart enough to figure out that violence isn't the only way to solve their problems. For example, when John Brown asked Harriet Tubman to join his army to attack Harper's Ferry, she didn't go and was smart enough to know that she shouldn't go. She didn't use violence, she used a non-violent rebellion when she started the underground railroad. That is why I think his violence was unneccesary and why I don't call him a hero.
John Brown did have more then just a violent rage consuming him. He constructed the structure of a new Government for Virginia, and his invasion of Virginia was about taking control not just killing slave owners.
Certainly though it seems barbaric in any time to chop up people. But the irony is he did it for God. any comments about that...
@Mr Cheney like I said John Brown did have good intentions like freeing slaves and taking control. And sometimes to get what you need you might need to use a little violence but John Brown used a lot of violence and I don't think it was neccesary. And it is ironic that he chopped up people for God. I mean, I don't know alot but when I think of God wanting you to do something, I don't think that he wants you to chop people up. Like I said, I don't know much about this but that's just my thoughts.
I agree with El Zak that John Brown was a misguided hero because everything that he did was to free people from slavery but he did somethings that weren't good, from example he was slaughtering the slave owners. John Browns intentions were right but i think he got off-track for what was the main goal and thought about doing stuff that wasnt right.
@ Mr.Cheney i do believe john brown had many good intentions and i'm sure he wouldn't have done the things he did if slavery wasn't so bad, he was just trying to get his word out of what he was tiring to change and what he was going to do in order to do it. Everyone gets misguided at some point, including my self. and it leads us to things that we believe is right.
i say that jonh brown is not a hero but not a villian either.he was doing the right thing to try to help slaves but killing there owners in front of there familys is just wrong.like adam says he had many good intentions but acter in a wrong way.he is also not a villian because he did do some good things and did try to make a difference.
John Brown declared war on slavery and thus took no prisoners. His actions are more befitting a soldier, although even soldiers have codes on conduct. But John believed heavily on the 1st testament of the Bible, it seems it was his driving force. Alas though I do not know much about the content of the 1st testament to understand how John used it to justify his actions.
but misguided lends itself to uniformed and John Brown did not lack knowledge or values or principals
is this misguided or do we just not agree that it was War on slavery...any thoughts?
I think John Brown is a hero because he saved the slaves from slavery and he didn't want slavery to go on in the south,so the war started and it wasn't right because people should not be held as slaves.But hen he killed 5 people is kind of the bad part,like Martin Luther King he wanted blacks and whites to come together without violence...and so he is a hero but he was a villain probably once.
For those of you that take the middle ground. If you lived in the northern United States would you have supported John Browns attempted overtaking of the state of Virginia?
we know that john brown was hero to the slaves but to me he is more of a villain he didn't have to kill people or chop them up to prove that he was right and that slavery was wrong. i am not saying he wasn't a hero but i agree that he was a misguide hero (about the killing part)
To me i dont think hes a hero because of all the violence and the killing of the slave owners like im not saying killing them was good but if you were to do it do it with respect dont slice the guy up then throw him on the steps of the family he came from its just cruel for the owner and his/her family like how would John brown have felt if his wife were sliced up in front of him then thrown on his front steps. But too many of the slaves they loved you cant blame them for that because he saved there lives and all the slaves cared about was revenge for all the cruel stuff they were put through and thats why they respect him so much if it weren't for him they would've been put through the cruelty for like 9 more years
I say he is misguided because John Brown wanted to stop slavery but he went about it the wrong way
He was doing the wrong thing beacuse violent uprising against slavery would just go more to fuel slave owners arguments that slaves were brutes. So what he was doing may have helped the occassional slave but was hurting the bigger picture.
@gurinder killing slaves was not the only way possible then to free slaves by saying that your undermining all the great work Harriet Tubman did peacefully she freed thousands of slaves and im pretty sure she didnt kill a single slave owner. And to justify my reason for saying he was misguided is because John Brown belived he was doing the right thing but he was really doing the exact opposite of the right thing.
If I lived in the northern states no I would not support John Brown because like i said even though what he wanted was just the way he went about getting it wasnt. And if you look at him through out his life from the infromation weve learned in class it doesnt look like he did much for the abolition of slavery in the long run in my opinion. But someone like Harriet Tubman did and the way she went about in my opinion was the right way.
I would think that John Brown was a hero to me because he fought to our benefit just as Hitler fought to his people's benefit, but We all see Hitler as an evil person, he only did what he thought was right based on what he had indoctrinated in him as he was developing as a child or something like that, and in the end, Hitler was indeed a horrible fiend that plagued the earth. John Brown, on the other hand, fought for a morally righteous cause, based on his beliefs and our current beliefs that slavery is wrong and was always wrong. The 1st testament also has certain verses stating things like "an eye for an eye", which greatly influenced his actions throughout his life and within all the events that occurred. So in a way, he is a hero because he fought against the prosecution of slaves in America, and that benefited us morally, and economically.
@ Alyssa, The underground railroad wasn't totally non-violent. Slaves had to protect themselves with guns and whatnot, and it was seldom that they didn't encounter slave catchers, and many slaves were recaptured and punished. So the underground railroad needed a little violence to get through, but not the way John Brown does, he went head on towards the slavers. In that case, I agree with your comment
I think it was that he was misguided.Religion,in my opinion does include peace (unless someone wants to correct me on it),and using it to justify murder was a little too much.Vengeance is something related to religion,but maybe Brown took the fighting too far involuntary because of the hardships he had to endure in his life.
@El Presidente Harriet Tubman was able to free slaves without violence because she her method was stealth,and she believed she was like ''Moses'',freeing people.For Brown,he had different beliefs,as said before he was a Vigilante.Maybe his method was ''eye for eye'' because in his life he had to grow up with so many obstacles.In his mind,he might've thought he couldn't find a different way to solve the problem of slaves.
John brown also believed he was like Moses...only the passing of time and the morals and values of this civilization highlights the items of the past that best suite our beliefs
@Mr Cheney As the world becomes more and more peaceful,with less violence everyday thanks to movements and such,does this mean that religion will start to thin and faith will slowly start to vanish? Or is it that once the world becomes so advanced people won't accept others' differences anymore and act out,and religion will start to expand?
I think technology will further advance and then lead to humans becoming the most technological beings that exist,and that'll lead to a war against nature.In every generation,as said before:They think they are at the pinnacle of their intelligence.This will lead to humans taking what isn't rightfully theirs (near planets) and industrialize them.After that people will forget about religion and they'll wallow in their mechanical parts for the rest of their lives.
I think that John Brown was not a here, i think he was a villain because of the actions he did. Many of the things he did were considered to a lot of people as being wicked. I don't think that killing people, burning hotels and making slaves lives miserable is considered as being a 'hero'. I agree with @Alyssa because even though he did free some slaves and that was a nice thing to do, i wouldn't just drop the other things that he did because he freed slaves. I think that he is considered a villain.
In my oppion I think John Brown was a Villain because even tho he freed slaves how he was rescuing them was inhuman and even tho people thought he was this guardian who will protect them in other people's eyes he was this Outlaw who thought killing people and burning down hotels would be the best way to protect slaves. Well it's the worst way, it'll just cause more anger. I totaly agree with @PamelaaSuccessful. What she's saying sounds true.
what if john brown freed all those slaves for no reason. what i mean is if john brown saved all those slaves, wouldnt they just get caught again by some other person and john brown killed all those people for no reason??
I think that even though he helped the slaves be free of slave owner control, he is not worth being called a hero, because even though he did what he thought what he did was right, he did so many thing that were not even needed in his attempt to free the slaves like for one: chopping up slave owners and setting them on the family's front porch. Another is establishing an army of anti-slavery to take control and invade the south
ReplyDeleteit's kinda hard to decide since he is doing something great which is freeing slaves but at the same time he is murdering all these people which isn't really necessary. He was really obsessed with on how "evil" someone is like when he saw that a slave was getting whipped when he was twelve.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion John Brown was a misguided hero. There is no doubt that he helped people like that family whom they named their child after him and to them John Brown was probally seen as a hero.
ReplyDeleteBut at his time their were abolistinists that helped people non violently he even talked to them people like Harriet Tubman and I think Fredrick Douglas was an abolistionist as well and he was living in his atiic!
And I feel John Brown did a greater harm to eventual slave freedom by attacking the military base at harpers ferry he was just adding fuel to the slave owners because they could say if we let slavery go this is what might happen to the people.
His intentions were just but the way he went about completing them in my opinion were wrong.
@sharpshooter that could be why he took up slave justice maybe he was scarred for life by seeing that slave being beaten.
ReplyDeleteI do not think that I could call John Brown a hero. He had good intentions which was to free slaves and he did free some. But I do not think that such violent measures were needed. I mean, chopping up slave owners right in front of their families. I think that that is just cruel. I know slavery was very harsh and cruel but I think that if John Brown wanted to get rid of it that there are other ways to do that then violence. He could've been non-violent and protest to get his way. There are many great leaders who used non-violence to protest against something and got what they wanted.
ReplyDeleteI agree with alyssa he did have good intentions, like freeing the slaves, his vilonce was to proove a point, but i dont think it were much needed. I also agree with zak, John Brown does seem like a misguided hero because he did have the intentions to help.
ReplyDeletei think that john brown is not worth to call a hero but at the same time he is not worth to call villain too because he help free the slaves but at the same time he did some unnecessary things like killing the slaves owner in front of his family like really what was the point of doing that!i agree with Alyssa he did have good intentions which was to free slaves and like Alyssa said he did free some of them but still killing the slaves owner doesn't make sense.i agree with bailee John Brown does seem like a misguided hero because he had the intentions to help.
ReplyDeleteI think John Brown was a hero.The slave owners were treating the slaves that they should not even own not even like humans,so they should be treated back the same way.Brown's justifications for his retaliations were yes,drastic but it was the best action to take.I am sure that other slave owners might've started treating their slaves better or even letting them go because they were scared that John Brown might come after them.His justifications were that he was ruling with God's law,not Human's.He believed that he was doing what his God wanted him to do,and what he did was gruesome but it did end up saving several slaves.The slaves couldn't just stay as items of the owners,they needed to be free.
ReplyDelete@Alyssa Killing the slave owners in any means possible was the only action available.You'd have to think about how the world was back then.People weren't as educated about the power of speech,and used violence to solve their problems.Yes,it was cruel but the slaves that would be free,the several that were locked up as items of the owners could live like humans again,if they ever did before becoming slaves.
ReplyDeleteI would call JOHN BROWN a hero but not agree to it 100%. The reason I say that is because he had the right opinion to free slaves.As the teacher at Yale University said (a mayor gave JOHN BROWN the key to the city for freeing 10 slaves).JOHN BROWN was willing to do right thing,it's just the way that he did it that bothers me.What I mean is that I would free slaves but I would not chop up slavesowners right in front of their families and through their bodies on the front steps of their houses.That is just cruel.No human deserves to be treaten like that.Although,he did live a stressful life (he tryed to do something successful he kept failing and failing and failing)that is no reason to go about and murder people.If he had freed slaves non-violently I would call him a 100% hero.
ReplyDeletei do think john brown is a hero because he did think that no human being should be a slave and should be treated like a dog. i no what john brown did make some inappropriate things and set out some real Drusy messages to those who held slaves captive. like ML king, john brown did have some good intension's for what he believed was right, although ML King didn't over do it. ML King won his writes with class and forgiveness and John Brown really did take it to the extreme without chances especially at that time it was really risky and which make people think about their next move. Although today this makes me wonder, if i were a farmer back in the day and I was holding fugitive slaves captive and knowing that i might get killed because of that would i do it? what do you guys think??
ReplyDeletei agree with gurinder the slaves owner was treating the slaves the way they should not be treated and he should be treated back the same way.but still he is not worth to be call a hero because if he really wanted to teach the owner a lesson maybe he could have done something else, maybe he should have tried to explain to him to treat the slaves nicely. but i still agree that the slaves owner was treating the slaves not nicely.
ReplyDeleteI agree with gurinder people wern't as educated back then as they are now.It probably was the only action available.
ReplyDeleteGreat dialogue, some real substance.
ReplyDeleteThe intellect in all of us wants to say he was wrong "misguided" but if I was an oppressed people wonder if I would call him misguided.
When it comes to leadership don't we crave passion, and John Brown was passionate but also a doer, meaning he took action. The greatest limitation to the abolitionist were the abolitionists. They preferred to debate and make speeches rather then take action.
it seems like misguided is taking the lead but a challenge you that misguided is too simplistic...any thoughts????
seems like Gurinder is alone on his island at the moment but we shall see. Lets hope more people come on and voice their strong and educated opinions. Great work by the posts thus far, they are well articulated and obvious that you were listening and understanding the lecture today!
educated??? just a different type of education. The John Browns and many other were far more educated in the word of God then we are.
ReplyDeleteLets not assume that they lacked the education to make intellectual conclusions and choices. I think this is a false prophecy of every generation - they think they are at the pinnacle and highest level of intellect.
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ReplyDeleteIf it would cost me my life I wouldn't do it (not that I would do it anyway).
ReplyDeleteMr.Cheney is right,every generation does think it is the best.
ReplyDeleteKnow we are starting to even up
ReplyDeleteYes slave owners would certainly think twice about owning slaves if a free slave army was coming around to free them and execute the owners.
great connection to Martin Luther King...how about this to think about...the effectiveness of non violence is dependent on the existence of extreme violent groups. Non violent movements gain strength when violent extremist groups exist. (not a truth just another perspective to think about)
i would say john brown is a hero well like 50 percent and 50 percent other, because he hepled get slaves free from their owners and into freedom, but the way he dealed with the owners of the salves were bad and he was violent , but everybody has their own way of dealing things and that was john browns way.he could have gotten a better way of dealing with the owners, i agree with that because choping them up is cruel ...as alyssa said... and as all the other said, his intentions were good, but them if he wants to help slaves why didnt he just join a anti-slavery champaign
ReplyDelete@Gurinder even if they weren't as educated about the power of speech I don't think that killing slave owners was the only action available. I still think that it was possible to use ,if not completely non-violent measures, but something different then just going out and killing slave owners. Also, just because they weren't as educated it doesn't mean they just used violence to solve their problems and get what they want. Some people should have been smart enough to figure out that violence isn't the only way to solve their problems. For example, when John Brown asked Harriet Tubman to join his army to attack Harper's Ferry, she didn't go and was smart enough to know that she shouldn't go. She didn't use violence, she used a non-violent rebellion when she started the underground railroad. That is why I think his violence was unneccesary and why I don't call him a hero.
ReplyDeleteJohn Brown did have more then just a violent rage consuming him. He constructed the structure of a new Government for Virginia, and his invasion of Virginia was about taking control not just killing slave owners.
ReplyDeleteCertainly though it seems barbaric in any time to chop up people. But the irony is he did it for God. any comments about that...
@Mr Cheney like I said John Brown did have good intentions like freeing slaves and taking control. And sometimes to get what you need you might need to use a little violence but John Brown used a lot of violence and I don't think it was neccesary. And it is ironic that he chopped up people for God. I mean, I don't know alot but when I think of God wanting you to do something, I don't think that he wants you to chop people up. Like I said, I don't know much about this but that's just my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI agree with El Zak that John Brown was a misguided hero because everything that he did was to free people from slavery but he did somethings that weren't good, from example he was slaughtering the slave owners. John Browns intentions were right but i think he got off-track for what was the main goal and thought about doing stuff that wasnt right.
ReplyDelete@ Mr.Cheney i do believe john brown had many good intentions and i'm sure he wouldn't have done the things he did if slavery wasn't so bad, he was just trying to get his word out of what he was tiring to change and what he was going to do in order to do it. Everyone gets misguided at some point, including my self. and it leads us to things that we believe is right.
ReplyDeletei say that jonh brown is not a hero but not a villian either.he was doing the right thing to try to help slaves but killing there owners in front of there familys is just wrong.like adam says he had many good intentions but acter in a wrong way.he is also not a villian because he did do some good things and did try to make a difference.
ReplyDeleteMisguided?
ReplyDeleteJohn Brown declared war on slavery and thus took no prisoners. His actions are more befitting a soldier, although even soldiers have codes on conduct. But John believed heavily on the 1st testament of the Bible, it seems it was his driving force. Alas though I do not know much about the content of the 1st testament to understand how John used it to justify his actions.
but misguided lends itself to uniformed and John Brown did not lack knowledge or values or principals
is this misguided or do we just not agree that it was War on slavery...any thoughts?
I think John Brown is a hero because he saved the slaves from slavery and he didn't want slavery to go on in the south,so the war started and it wasn't right because people should not be held as slaves.But hen he killed 5 people is kind of the bad part,like Martin Luther King he wanted blacks and whites to come together without violence...and so he is a hero but he was a villain probably once.
ReplyDeleteFor those of you that take the middle ground. If you lived in the northern United States would you have supported John Browns attempted overtaking of the state of Virginia?
ReplyDeletei say that john brown was aboth a hero and a villian a hero to the blacks but a villian to the southern whites
ReplyDeletewe know that john brown was hero to the slaves but to me he is more of a villain he didn't have to kill people or chop them up to prove that he was right and that slavery was wrong.
ReplyDeletei am not saying he wasn't a hero but i agree that he was a misguide hero (about the killing part)
To me i dont think hes a hero because of all the violence and the killing of the slave owners like im not saying killing them was good but if you were to do it do it with respect dont slice the guy up then throw him on the steps of the family he came from its just cruel for the owner and his/her family like how would John brown have felt if his wife were sliced up in front of him then thrown on his front steps.
ReplyDeleteBut too many of the slaves they loved you cant blame them for that because he saved there lives and all the slaves cared about was revenge for all the cruel stuff they were put through and thats why they respect him so much if it weren't for him they would've been put through the cruelty for like 9 more years
remember to respond to other posts. I have asked a few questions in my responses but as yet no body has responded to them?
ReplyDeleteyou need to read and respond not just share your thoughts.
I say he is misguided because John Brown wanted to stop slavery but he went about it the wrong way
ReplyDeleteHe was doing the wrong thing beacuse violent uprising against slavery would just go more to fuel slave owners arguments that slaves were brutes. So what he was doing may have helped the occassional slave but was hurting the bigger picture.
@gurinder killing slaves was not the only way possible then to free slaves by saying that your undermining all the great work Harriet Tubman did peacefully she freed thousands of slaves and im pretty sure she didnt kill a single slave owner. And to justify my reason for saying he was misguided is because John Brown belived he was doing the right thing but he was really doing the exact opposite of the right thing.
If I lived in the northern states no I would not support John Brown because like i said even though what he wanted was just the way he went about getting it wasnt. And if you look at him through out his life from the infromation weve learned in class it doesnt look like he did much for the abolition of slavery in the long run in my opinion. But someone like Harriet Tubman did and the way she went about in my opinion was the right way.
I would think that John Brown was a hero to me because he fought to our benefit just as Hitler fought to his people's benefit, but We all see Hitler as an evil person, he only did what he thought was right based on what he had indoctrinated in him as he was developing as a child or something like that, and in the end, Hitler was indeed a horrible fiend that plagued the earth. John Brown, on the other hand, fought for a morally righteous cause, based on his beliefs and our current beliefs that slavery is wrong and was always wrong. The 1st testament also has certain verses stating things like "an eye for an eye", which greatly influenced his actions throughout his life and within all the events that occurred. So in a way, he is a hero because he fought against the prosecution of slaves in America, and that benefited us morally, and economically.
ReplyDelete@ Alyssa,
ReplyDeleteThe underground railroad wasn't totally non-violent. Slaves had to protect themselves with guns and whatnot, and it was seldom that they didn't encounter slave catchers, and many slaves were recaptured and punished. So the underground railroad needed a little violence to get through, but not the way John Brown does, he went head on towards the slavers. In that case, I agree with your comment
@Mr Cheney
ReplyDeleteI think it was that he was misguided.Religion,in my opinion does include peace (unless someone wants to correct me on it),and using it to justify murder was a little too much.Vengeance is something related to religion,but maybe Brown took the fighting too far involuntary because of the hardships he had to endure in his life.
@El Presidente Harriet Tubman was able to free slaves without violence because she her method was stealth,and she believed she was like ''Moses'',freeing people.For Brown,he had different beliefs,as said before he was a Vigilante.Maybe his method was ''eye for eye'' because in his life he had to grow up with so many obstacles.In his mind,he might've thought he couldn't find a different way to solve the problem of slaves.
ReplyDeleteGreat point, there is a cruel irony in religion as more people have faught died and killed in and for his name.
ReplyDeleteJohn brown also believed he was like Moses...only the passing of time and the morals and values of this civilization highlights the items of the past that best suite our beliefs
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney As the world becomes more and more peaceful,with less violence everyday thanks to movements and such,does this mean that religion will start to thin and faith will slowly start to vanish? Or is it that once the world becomes so advanced people won't accept others' differences anymore and act out,and religion will start to expand?
ReplyDeleteReligion is a hot topic...certainly it has faded consistently over time, but it is still a powerful force and its future is ultimately unknown.
ReplyDeletebut this would be a great conversation...anybody any thoughts?
I think technology will further advance and then lead to humans becoming the most technological beings that exist,and that'll lead to a war against nature.In every generation,as said before:They think they are at the pinnacle of their intelligence.This will lead to humans taking what isn't rightfully theirs (near planets) and industrialize them.After that people will forget about religion and they'll wallow in their mechanical parts for the rest of their lives.
ReplyDeleteI think that John Brown was not a here, i think he was a villain because of the actions he did. Many of the things he did were considered to a lot of people as being wicked. I don't think that killing people, burning hotels and making slaves lives miserable is considered as being a 'hero'. I agree with @Alyssa because even though he did free some slaves and that was a nice thing to do, i wouldn't just drop the other things that he did because he freed slaves. I think that he is considered a villain.
ReplyDeleteIn my oppion I think John Brown was a Villain because even tho he freed slaves how he was rescuing them was inhuman and even tho people thought he was this guardian who will protect them in other people's eyes he was this Outlaw who thought killing people and burning down hotels would be the best way to protect slaves. Well it's the worst way, it'll just cause more anger. I totaly agree with @PamelaaSuccessful. What she's saying sounds true.
ReplyDeletewhat if john brown freed all those slaves for no reason. what i mean is if john brown saved all those slaves, wouldnt they just get caught again by some other person and john brown killed all those people for no reason??
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@ el presidente i understand that, that it scared him for life but really killing all those people?
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